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Here’s the Wild Idea

Have you ever want to quit your job, uproot your life and do something crazy like SHATTER a record, ski at your favorite resorts around the globe, fall in love and get a HUGE book deal.

Meet Steph Jagger.

Steph grew up with a good family, and had a great job in good old Canada, eh’!?

She was working in public relations for major companies, made enough money to buy a new house and go skiing on weekends, but she wanted more from life. One day, while skiing in Whistler with some friends, she literally saw a sign. It read…


The sign referred to that little metal bar you are required to lift before exiting a chairlift so you can ski down the mountain. Otherwise, you would be trapped in your chair circling the mountain all day long. Anyway, Steph is one of those people who believes in the power of a whisper that can turn into a ROAR.

She took it literally.

SHE QUIT HER JOB. SHE MORTGAGED HER HOUSE. She completely reconstructed her life as she knew it and decided, hey, I am going to go ski around the world, and why not break a record on the way!? She also once told me she was like a “Mullet,” business in the front, party in the rear. I didn’t ask her too much after this.

Back to uprooting her life. This was not an easy decision. People said she was crazy, including her own family. But she did it anyway. Along the way she skied gorgeous mountains, met fantastic and handsome men, including her husband (which I will let you read the book to get the gushy details full of humor and awesome sexy talk) and she SMASHED a record.

The journey wasn’t all peaches and ice cream, but it revealed powerful realities about herself. She shares with us about her journey, about why STARTING LINES are more important than FINISH LINES, and also why waiting never gets you to the end.


Links Mentioned
Steph on Instagram
Outdoor Outreach
Tecnica Ski Boots on Amazon
The Hero with a Thousand Faces – Joseph Campbell
Tiny Beautiful Things: Advice on Love and Life from Dear Sugar – Cheryl Strayed
The Glass Castle: A Memoir – Jeannette Walls
North of Normal: A Memoir of My Wilderness Childhood, My Unusual Family, and How I Survived Both – Cea Sunrise Person
The Bear – Claire Cameron
The Baby-Sitters Club – Ann M. Martin
Not Without My Daughter – Betty Mahmoody and William Hoffer
Little Bird – Annie Lennox

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Our first guest is Steph. She is an amazing woman who basically quit her job a few years ago because she just wanted more in life and when she did it she skied around the world and she broke a record along the way and fell in love with an amazing man. Now her husband she signed a book deal not too long afterwards and this book comes up and out in a few months. The prime minister's wife of Canada just said it was an incredible story. And Steph Jagger's basically going to be a name that you recognize on your bookshelf. I love her story because she didn't hit her bottom when she decided to completely revamp her entire life. And on the show she's going to talk a lot about why starting lines are more important than finish lines as well as what it's like to ski around the world and fall in love along the way. She's really funny. She doesn't hold back.

Her book is called Unbound. Without further ado Steph Jaggar Welcome to the show. Yo yo yo. I'm so happy to be here. We're so happy to have you. So you had this great big fat ass book about to launch to the world. It's called Unbound but I don't want to give too much away so can you. I've read it by the way. It made me laugh out loud. I know the characters really well. Can you give us a brief rundown.

Sure. Absolutely. So a brief run down is I'll give like the backdrop of the book which is of course what you said about the skiing around the world. So essentially the story takes place with me is you know privileged white girl growing up in Vancouver Canada you know had a good life but not great. And I really want to. Great. And so I quit everything sold all my stuff and decided to do my three favorite things in search of great. And that was to travel to write and to ski. And I just took off and went around the world. And so the book is really about that journey and the backdrop is the mountains and the places in the people that I met and all of that kind of stuff. The real deal though of the book is really how I discovered who I was as a woman. You know there's gorgeous places and cool people that I am at but I think that's you know that's the nature of the story is how did I find out who I was.

What I like about the book is you have this incredible sense of humor. You're not afraid to say who you are or you know you say that your privileged white girl and Candida and what's really interesting is most people who go on an incredible journey like skiing how many feet did you end up skiing. I ski that's a great question.

I skied for point one six million and change close to 4.2 million. So it's tough to break it down for people who don't know vertical feet which a lot of people don't. It's about the equivalent of skiing Everest from summit to sea level not just a base camp about 150 times 150 times. And

how long was this journey. That's incredible. I love it. Yeah. So. So tell me how many months this took.

It was it was a 10 month journey and with all the travel involved I think there was probably eight months of skiing available in those 10 months something like that. That's a lot of snow a lot of skiing a lot of tight ski boots on your feet.

That's something I wish not to be reminded of Siavash that. So what I think is so incredible about this journey is when people decide to do something wild a lot of times they've hit their bottom you weren't necessarily at your bottom you just weren't I think living to your full SIPP potential I don't know what it was but can you talk about that because absolutely this is something I love talking about.

I love talking about this. So I think you're right. I think people wait until they're broken they wait until an accident happens. They wait until disease afflicts them or their family. And some people don't wait. I mean things happen to them in their lives. And I'm a pretty good big advocate that if if if. Boredom and discontent and dissatisfaction start kind of creeping into your life. I don't think we should wait. My editor and I have to have a hashtag joke hashtag boredom is enough that this is something that I think is a really important message. I just especially I get fired up about this because in female written memoir there's a lot of those stories of women who are broken and women who go on in search of themselves in and re redefining and recreating their lives. And we need those stories big. We need to understand that when our lives fall apart because sometimes they do we need to know how to pick up the pieces. We also need to know how to go from good to great and how to go from great to absolutely freakin stupendous. And we need that as part of our female narrative. I think we need both of those. And the thought that a woman's strength is dependent on her first being broken is a faulty narrative. Agree that's. And so I think it's just a huge huge part of this that I was I was bored. I was a little dissatisfied.

And to me that was enough. So so let's go back a minute you had this idea and you're bored.

I remember at one point you told me you were skiing with friends in Whistler and you saw this sign that said lift the restraining device which which literally is the chairlift that says Live Thursday's device or you're going to get stuck on the chairlift all day. But you took that as a sign like a literal sign from the universe. Wu-Wo but it was a sign. Absolutely. So tell me about this restraining device and let's just talk about this. Why did this restraining device how. How did this sign lead you to shattering a Guinness Book of World Records and try to be next to the guy with the longest fingernails in that book or the band with the biggest Kazu players or whatever.

You know I was on the chairlift I was having an epic day skiing with some friends. How old were you at the time. I was. Good question. Twenty seven 28 at the time. And and in the middle of the chairlift I blurted the idea out. I said you know like oh wouldn't it be great to do this for a year. Like to ski around the world and and when I blurted the idea out it automatically I was like oh shoot that was really stupid. I probably should have said that. And all of my buddies on the chairlift were like you know they shot it down like you got a mortgage you got a job but you're not a good enough skeer. Like where are you going get the money Jaggar. Like it was just it and everyone was really laughing and myself included. And then we got to the top of the chairlift and as you said you know for people who who who ski they'll know the restrained advice signs of people who don't. It's it's basically the safety bar that comes down when you get on the chair and then you get a raise it up again when you get off. So we got to the top of the lift and I saw the sign and it was you know it was a cheesy Oprah kind of aha moment like a bolt from the blue. But I think those are the signs that we need to look for when we are bored and discontent because that's when they'll come in. So how did that lead me to scurry around the world.

Well I guess I just got off the chairlift and thought What's my restraining device what's holding me back is is it the job is it the mortgage is is it that I'm not a good enough skier or should I take you know lessons should I learn some you know Ivy skills you know what is it that's holding me back and if I can identify those things and one by one raise them like could I really do this so that I love this.

But you were a professional skier. You had a mortgage. You had a job. I mean we have have so many wild ideas that come in my head every day. So what about this one idea. Hooked you in. Like what.

What made this stick I guess was maybe louder than any of the other ideas. So. So that was probably one reason and I can remember one moment. You know I wavered for a while. You know do I do this do I do this on my own do I do this with somebody else. How much money is this going to cost me. Like what. How do I do this. And I wavered back and forth and one day I was out with a girlfriend then and I guess she hadn't heard me talk about the idea for a while and she turned to me and she said you know if you didn't do this would you regret it.

And I was it just. Yes. Yes I would.

And she said Well I think you got your answer then. That's a good friend. Yes yes. And she's still a very very dear friend and she's a killer skier and. Yes. So I'm I was really grateful for that moment. So you started. How ice the trip or the operation so the trip I started July 2010 and I got on a plane and flew down to Santiago Chile and got off of a plane and my first stop was a place called Puerto Rico great resort and kind of like dirty dancing club med that parts in the book I think mixed together pretty graphic. And that's how I started. It was you know about a year of a year a year and a half of prep physical training financial saving you know a whole bunch of stuff before I left.

So let's talk about that prep because how did you really have to do and when you left did you still have some you had to have some answers just completely unanswered that you didn't know it was going to happen or should still wait. That's a big big part of it for sure yeah.

I mean you can't. I mean I'm a pretty big planner.

I think that's one of the lessons that I learned though was you know you can plan the backbone but it's probably best not to plan out all the fleshy parts of everything because mostly for me and the trip that I took because of weather you know that really kind of mess with some of my plans.

But you know yeah planned financially planned. How much skiing I wanted to do plan breaks for myself because I knew you know that was going to be important. I'm like just a physical recovery standpoint. You know I had to play a lot of different things and of course the physical preparation as well and I'm not a pro athlete. This isn't you know I had to do my squats.

Is that what you did. You hired a trainer. Yeah. Yeah you doing squats.

Yeah you got me doing squats in Bulgarian deadlift and all that stuff. I don't really do any.

So I'm looking at Steph Jagger she's really like medium build. She's not like a huge. Their legs are normal size. She broke a record smashed her record. So it's just quite remarkable wear your jeans tight. At least when you are doing these squats.

They were they my my thighs were bigger and my waist was smaller at that point. Let's put it that way.

Wow. So on the way it was it was really one hell of a journey. I love.

I love the part in the book where you just described the places you went. Can you share some of your favorite. I know there's probably a million favorite moments. Just some of your favorite moments with us. Take us to New Zealand maybe actually share with us first. Some of the worst moments of the trip.

What did you learn. Fine. Exactly.

Yeah I think you know New Zealand was was really tough on me I think for a variety of different reasons. I think I'd built New Zealand up in my head as like the place that is going to be the easiest for me mostly because of the language that was going to be one of the only places I was going where English was spoken before I got back to Canadia. Right before I got back to to the north America.

So that was I built it up in my head I think when I got there I was pretty travel weary.

And the way that I had things planned out there was a lot of movement so to New Zealand for me was you know six months at the end of the season which means a lot of rain six months with a lot of rain in a rental car on your own on on Dusty you know watered out rivered out roads. It was it was exhausting for me I think mentally physically spiritually. And the opposite of really what I thought my experience was going to be.

And then you know I don't know how much you or your listeners pay attention to or or have heard about the hero's journey. But I think this story follows through that that story arc in a in a pretty clear way. And you know that was that was the breakdown that was you know the dark night of the Soul that was I think what needed to happen for me even though I wasn't broken before I left on the trip I needed to break myself apart a little bit in order to discover more of who I am and that was really the beginning of that. So there were some tough days in New Zealand and some you know adult temper tantrums in parking lots. Some tears here and there. That said New Zealand is stunning. I mean you've been there. It's a stunning country. I mean just absolutely beautiful. I also went to the time just after those really really bad Christchurch earthquakes so there was a lot of people kind of holed up and doing their own kind of recovery and that sort of thing so it was an interesting time to be there. But beautiful country. My experience in it was not as beautiful but looking back you know there was a reason for that. And where were some of your more memorable moments. On the positive. On the positive side of things I will never forget Argentina. That was a place that I that I spoiler. A spoiler alert. Met the man that I'm now married to. And the reason that I'm in San Diego that I'll never forget.

I also think Japan the snow is just like nothing else on earth so that was you know extraordinary skiing for me. And and other places that stand out in my mind from a skiing perspective you know Jackson Hole is amazing Alta in Utah is killer Whistler Black Home is where I'm from you know that's a stand out for me. And I think.

I think my time in the Alps for me was memorable not because the skiing was amazing I had really bad snow when I was in the Alps. But I think just from a spiritual perspective that that for me was a big turnaround point. And so I felt like I was really seeing myself in the mountains where they were almost like a mirror to me when I was there. So that will always stand out in my mind as a pretty memorable and poignant time in my life and on the trip.

I love how the sport the sport of skiing just provides such a good metaphor in life. And I'd love for you to talk to me more about skiing mostly because I'm I'm a surfer not really a snow person. So why skiing. What about the sport lured you in and just hooked you and became this this sport that really helped you transform your life.

Yeah yeah that's a great question. I think skiing the way I was ultimately kind of lured into the sport or were introduced to the sport you know circles right back to my family. You know it was the direct route to my father's heart. That's exactly where I wanted to go as a little girl and a young woman. And so you know that was one of the reasons for sure. Ultimately though and you'll know this as surfer skiing to me became and still is freedom. You know that's when I feel the most alive the most connected the most tuned in the most myself. And there's the speed of it the exhilaration of it you know when you feel like you're as I'm sure you feel when you you know catch a big wave and ironic and it's like it's magic. It's magic.

So I think the freedom of it is what what has kept me you know as in love with it as as when I was younger and you talk about it it's such like this beautiful high level and I'm just going to take it down to the fact that you were also and as for traveling around the world a single hot chick in mountain towns where there's not a lot of girls. You're bound to meet some guys can you just tell us a little bit about being female traveling around the world especially in mountain towns. Because I did that for a year. I just want to know what it was like for you.

Yeah for sure. I mean you know I'll tell my husband to tune out of the podcast at this point but yeah I mean there was a I met a lot of killer killer guys amazing guys some of whom I'm still friends with today. And yeah I mean what else can I say. Like they're hot. They're rather adventurous. They you know you want to. I actually think that was such a huge part of when I was skiing when I was younger. You know I was mostly with guys and and as you you know I won't tell this part of the story but it's in the book. I think there was a benefit to me and also in the long run maybe a little bit of a drawback in in discovering and understanding who I was and who I who I was going to be in the world and how I was going to measure my success or how people viewed me. But yeah I mean if you're a single girl and you want to meet some guys you know go to a mountain of pressure or just go break a record and you might meet your husband along the way.

That's right. But also just traveling traveling is so beneficial for everybody. And I know you're a huge proponent of travel. What are some lessons you learned while traveling in work. What are some things you would recommend to anyone who is looking to travel around the globe once who is scared or is just going like what should they do. Dale says a couple questions.

So yeah the other is like there's 20 in there. OK so what do what's my advice what did I learn first what do you like about traveling. Well yeah.

I mean you know obviously there's a lot of things like you know new things and new food and new people and it's you know it's an adventure and it's out of the norm and I you know I've I've always liked that some people don't like that kind of newness but I like that.

I think for me traveling traveling has been so refreshing because I think what it allows us to do is it allows us to pick up a bunch of bags and drop our other baggage at the door.

Our rules are you know if your sister or your you know so and so's daughter or you're you know this is who you were all throughout high school or university like it allows us to drop all of that because you can be whoever you want.

When you meet you know so-and-so across the bar at Jackson Hole or you can you know you can be really you can try on all the different variations of yourself and see which one fits the best and you can leave all those other roles kind of behind. I think that's one of the reasons that when we travel on this it's been my experience that some of the people I meet when I travel know me better than people I've known for 20 30 years because they're meeting a real kind of boiled down essence of me and all the other stuff and expectations and that's all left you know at the airport. So that to me has been one of the biggest gifts of travel and I've done a lot of travel I've done I've done a little bit with other people but I've done a lot on my own. And so that's been that's been a big one.

What is my advice I guess for solo female travelers. You know tune into your intuition.

You know people talk about street smarts and people talk about safety. I've been very lucky. I've been you know I've never been robbed traveling I've never been hurt or assaulted. I've never but I think that's also because you know I'm a pretty keen observer and I'm paying attention. I'm really listening to my intuition. You know if I'm in a town and it's starting to get dark I don't feel so good about it. Like I'm checking into a hotel even if it's you know above my budget or whatever like I'm really listening to that and tuning in. So that would be it. That would be a big one. I don't know. I mean you're traveling such a individual experience for people. But I think that what I said initially is you know it's a real education of self. And and I think that's a pretty critical part of you know being a human being.

I love that. And as far as you know for so many people traveling is so much preparation and what to take when not to take. Do you have kind of rules you stick to about what you take on the road and what you don't take on the road.

Well packing wise I always show up and people like that's all you're bringing I don't bring a lot of stuff. You know emergency stuff. I've got a credit card just in case you know but ultimately I mean you know winter travel and summer travel are a lot different I mean I had to bring a lot more stuff for the ski trip than I ever have on any other trip but which was a bit of a pain but I don't bring a lot I bring. I bring a thing of lip balm or Polysporin to put in my nose when I'm on airplanes. They don't I think like I'm going to be like immersed in people's germs for so long. So if you see me on an airplane rubbing Polysporin up my nose you know what's going on. And that's really like the only you know tried and true thing that I always make sure I bring when I like not not extra underwear or socks.

You can always buy that there.

I mean you know I pack a week's worth of underwear and you know wash it and hotel sinks if I need to and so yeah I'm pretty pretty minimal. I wear mostly you know black and gray when I travel and bring a pair of jeans and flip flops and that's it.

So how about anything. If you're going to travel the world skiing you have to learn a few things about if you're going to ski every day what to avoid or what to do. Is there anything in boots or for skiing.

I had one pair of trusty boots Technica. This is a shout out to Technica. They you know I was it was amazing I wore that one pair of ski boots the entire time from a skiing standpoint. You know sure you you get to know you know who to ask to you know who does the rescue act in town. You know you know to ask the lifts. Not somebody at the airport. You know there's different things. But I think ultimately it's the same kind of travel rules that I always go with like you know pack minimally you know figure out who to who to talk to. You might want to know where a decent place to get a massage is for me a lot of it was rest in recovery like I really. There was a lot of nights where I was like I'd really love to go out and sit at the bar now but it's probably a good idea for me to go home and have a big hibernation of a sleep. So I'm you know decently energized for the mornings. There was there was a fair bit of balance for that and weather reports I mean that was a big that was a huge part of it was you know watching especially in the places that I went that were kind of closer to the ends of the seasons where the snow pack wasn't going to be. You know you couldn't depend on it so much and you might need to move around pretty quickly to get some decent skiing in.

You know those weather reports became pretty crucial but so I have a question about you talk a lot about starting lines but to finish and finish breaking this record took a lot of perseverance.

What was it like the day you you broke the record.

I love this because so many people I think think of finish lines as as the times that are going to change their lives. And that's not been my experience. I was really tired. I was on my own. I think that day was super super foggy. I couldn't see two feet in front of me. You know it was one of the more miserable days on the on the Hill actually. It was the midweek so you know. None of my friends were there and nobody was there to celebrate or do anything and I think it's one of those things that's that's like what meaning are you going to make of this.

You know this isn't this isn't you don't cross the finish line.

And then and then all of the sudden you know everything shifts you know finish writing a book and you handed in and the next day like you're crowned you know the goddess of writing or whatever. That's that's not been my experience so. So what I've learned to do is to understand that that more of it is about the whole journey and how much you're able to enjoy every day of it. And probably for me you know you and I have talked about this before as part of the critical part of this is starting lines is really you know when you're bored when you're discontent when you're dissatisfied. Are you listening for what's calling you to a starting line. And that to me is more kind of alluring and game changing and life changing than you know dragging your limp body across.

Because we talk about starting lines. I just think it's such a cool. I mean what's important about starting lines. Let's talk a little bit more about it. I mean I know it's what you're supposed to do when you're bored but let's just talk a little bit about it for sure for sure.

I mean I think you know finishing things is is important. It's a it's a key part of life. And and there are some people who are better than that than others. If we didn't finish things. I'm pretty convinced that no basement renovation would ever be complete but I think a more important question and something I'm more interested in asking people and finding out and and figuring out for myself is is is what do you to start and and and when you think about starting something how does it make you feel and how much energy is there and how much fear anxiety is involved in what does that tell you about what you should do it or you shouldn't do it. You know I go back all the time to you know are you listening for the things that are that are calling your name and and if you are what's your reaction to it when when you hear them. I mean this again goes back to the hero's journey and Joseph Campbell and I could go on and on about that kind of mythology. But you know ultimately I think that's our job is yes we should be completing things and finishing things. But but really really truly. Are we listening to the right things to like lure us in to this great adventure which is life. And if we're listening to those if we're if we're committed to taking responsibility and starting them you know our our lives can change we can shift from ordinary to extraordinary. That's that's that's the name of the game for me.

I'd love to know what you were like as a little kid.

That's a great question. I was bossy. I think I was bossy you boss.

I think I was a social little kid. But I also you know I remember times where I would I would go into the closet my bedroom and and be writing stories and you know playing with my little ponies on my own. I need tons of sleep. When I was little you know my family always says that she didn't take naps she like hibernated you know. And I think I was you know I was a people pleaser I was the youngest of four. You know there was a lot of people to live up to and to impress and to you know fill the shoes of. But I. Yeah you know happy you know privileged little little kid playing kick the can and in a nice neighborhood.

Well you do a lot with your little kids self including. You just finished a book which is so awesome. I'm so proud of you because I remember you told me. Yeah I'm just going to self-publishing. So Steph Jagger did not just self-publish this little book and yeah being released by HarperCollins. Well you got it big time agent.

Let's talk about writing a book because yeah I'm writing a book especially a memoir that you throw you put everything on the kitchen table and then more. I know I just completely butchered that metaphor. You put everything out on the table. Yeah. Yeah.

I was going to say you spread your legs open and literally your story you do talk a lot about that. Yes.

So how did you why did you decide to write this book and not approach it in this very minimal way. But you just chose to play on a bigger playground and release it to the world in a bigger way.

Yeah. Obviously you know some of that. I honestly don't know if it was choice. I think this goes back to STARTING lines and callings this idea for a book kept knocking on the door and just you know people would say oh you should write a book. My husband would be like why don't you write you know why are you writing a book about this. It just kept coming up over and over and over again in my life that eventually I just thought like I have no idea how to write a book. But this won't go away and it keeps it keeps coming back. So OK. Like how do I read a book and and the whole thing has been such a wild ride from you know the minute that I started writing to when I got an agent and when I sold the book I mean you've been with me on this journey and I guess so like kind of lost in it that I don't even remember what your question was.

And so here let's just talk about how you started. Yeah I wrote the book. You actually took a year off and you went you went to Whistler. Right it.

Yeah we we we rented a place just north of Whistler and I spent six months up there being a book I had no idea what I was doing. I wrote a fair bit when I was traveling so I had thought that those drafts those those bits of writing to kind of stitched together. I worked with a woman at the very beginning part of this process that helped me understand what an outline or story arc of this of this story would look like.

That was very helpful in regards to you know getting me going. And then you know I've I'm not a surfer and I don't know what this that it really feels like. I mean I've kind of been on a wave ish kind of on a floating sidewalk sized board. But I imagine that the feeling of catching a wave was very much like what I did it was a lot of work but almost also effortless like there just was such a higher calling to it and that's really the only way that I can describe it.

And and my continual response to that was once I agreed you know it was yes you know yes I'll take responsibility for whatever I feel like is calling me forward here. It took a while to put together that first draft and then it you know moved very quickly from there.

Was there ever any doubt or fear you're writing about some really personal things in you. Did you ever just question Should I really release this to the world should I write this should I censor it should I. You know you ever ask yourself these questions.

Yeah I did. But not often.

I mean I guess one of the gifts I think there's two gifts with that first is the gift of I'm not a writer. Same as I wasn't a skier like real real naivety at play and I think that played well for me because I didn't know what to expect I didn't know what good writing was or bad writing was or how much was too much information or not enough. I mean it's just me working in a silo you know with with one editor and and I think my naive ity of I have no idea what I'm doing and no idea what's good bad or ugly really played out well. It was their parts that I feared sharing. No I think ultimately what it comes down to is when you feel called to do something of this size or this nature or an adventure like this I don't think that calling comes from internally I think it comes from somewhere else. So although this story is about a ski trip that I took and it has my name on it a river and it has everything to do with me. I feel like it also has nothing to do with me. And

so yes so my sharing about some pretty intimate things in my life. Sure. But

does it really feel like. I don't know. It feels very separate. It sounds very much like but like Elizabeth Gilbert book Big magic. Sure

sure yeah. Absolutely. I think there's some I think she's got some brilliant ideas and concepts in there that were very much in alignment with what it felt like what my creative journey felt like. Well

I think also listeners she's being very humble. This book is incredibly well-written. It's funny. I like about it is is a great sense of humor. You didn't know you didn't know I was funny. You are funny. I didn't know. I guess I did a paper you you're hysterical. In person you're really funny but on paper you are hysterical. So I just have a question of when to do things you do.

It does take a lot of determination. Do you have any routines you stick to every day like ways you eat. Do you meditate.

Oh that's such a good question. Yes and no. So I go in you know kind of ebbs and flows with this for example right now there's not a major goal that's ahead of me like skie 4000000 fee or you know. Right. However many words make up a book. So I mean zero routine you know like I eat breakfast every morning. That's like one part of the routine. But there's no exercise routine there's no food routine there's no meditation routine or prayer routine there's a ritual. There's nothing. And I get a bit and see in lostness it's not the best for me. Am I better when I have those goals but we don't always have them.

So when I am what I'll say on goal or on calling routines form and they're different depending on what the calling is.

So you know for this trip there was like a routine obviously of you know skiing every day and what goes into that or the training part of it. When I was riding there was certainly a routine. I had a particular alter I had a ritual that I did in the morning I did three pages of of just kind of off the cuff writing before I kind of dove into the work. There was a very kind of structured routine to it. You know wrote for Swades and amount of hours you know in the day stopped ate whatever had a glass of wine. You know there was there was a certain routine to it. So it ebbs and flows depending on on what I'm feeling called to do at the time.

Who who influences you most in life who are your mentors.

That's a great question. I think my husband is a huge inspiration. I'm always inspired by you know what he's doing and the determination he has and the things he's overcome. We should tell who your husband my husband is amazing.

His name is Chris Rucker's. He does amazing philanthropic work and works a lot in the outdoors with kids. I could go on and on and on. He's a he's a good guy he's in the book Everything about him.

He founded a non-profit in San Diego called Outdoor outreach that takes inner city kids are at risk youth surfing skiing snowboarding rock climbing and you know they learn they learn about self-esteem through the outdoors.

And it's an incredible program that's now going national and he's received a lot of awards and he's just a humble guy that's transformed lives in. Steph met him skate everyone he came up to me and he said I met a girl. Of course you met a girl on your journey. It's just really cool.

Anyways you go yeah he's a good one so. So he's he's a he's a pretty inspiring to me. I think from a creative standpoint when I think about other authors and writers I mean you know you mentioned Liz Gilbert all ad Bernay Brown Glenn and Doyle Melton.

I mean I could go on and on about about different authors and stuff that I find inspiring. Danny Shapiro is hugely is right. There's a lot Cheryl Strayed of course big inspiration there.

I think I'm constantly pushed and inspired by my girlfriends. I have a pretty healthy tribe of amazing women in my life people who are athletes people who are professionals people who are creatives all different types of women. They you know quote unquote keep it real. You know they know when to help pump up my ego when I need it. And maybe also doing to bring it down. I mean that's very helpful. And then you know I do coaching and stuff on the side and I find my clients extraordinarily inspiring. You know what they're trying to overcome the goals they're trying to achieve. You know the authenticity they're trying to step into. That's it. They're brave brave people and I you know I dig that and I get a lot of motivation inspiration from them as well. So you just mentioned to a lot of authors that you love. Can you share just books that you love that you recommend. OK so tiny beautiful thing. Dear Sugar by Cheryl Strayed. That's a that's one that's huge. The glass castle Jeannette wall north of normal by sea sunrise person that's an amazing book from the fictional standpoint I just read the bear by Clare Cameron which was just out of this world. Danny Shapiro's on writing from a creative standpoint blew my mind what else. I mean I you know I could go on and on and on. I read probably you know three to five books a month.

So it's healthy. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. It's great. It's a mix of of course I've read a lot of memoir female written memoir In the last the last year but it's yeah I'm a big reader and that's that probably is my biggest daily routine.

Awesome. Were you a reader a big reader before.

Always always always you know when I was a little girl I remember being lost in like the babysitters club of the day.

That was adia. I don't know. But I remember this.

I don't know what this part was cut out of the book or not but when I was a little girl my mom and dad are huge readers but they did have books like on their you know night stand on occasion.

And my mom had a book not without my daughter it was it made into a movie I think Sally Field within in the movie I can't remember the author and I was nine or 10 and I used to sneak into my mom's room my parents bedroom to read the book. And I think for me books were put. I just I was amazed that you could just have this bundle of paper in your hand and like be in another world and that blew my mind as a kid. And I think I've been you know kind of an obsessed reader ever since.

I mean that makes a lot of sense because your writing is you write really really well for somebody who is never a writer. I can tell you must read a time. As a kid. So what's the best gift you've ever received.

Well I mean I'll say life. I think that's a pretty it's a pretty good one.

OK. When I finished the major draft of the book my husband Chris gave me a piece of art that's a book in it. It's kind of hard to describe it's not a painting but it's not a sculpture it's it's a really kind of cool piece of art. And that was very meaningful to me. I don't know to be cheesy like I think feedback is always a gift whether it's positive or negative even negative feedback. Yeah for sure. I mean negative feedbacks a gift because it either tells you a little bit more about the person who's giving it or you know maybe it's valid maybe maybe it's something you should be paying attention to.

I love your wedding ring because I know there's a story behind it. It's from wood from a tree from where you met.

Oh yes absolutely. So Chris and I met in Argentina in Patagonia and really developed a relationship in kind of fell for each other in this one particular place. And all of that's detailed out in the book. They like fancy schmaltzy romantic you know part of it. And when I moved to San Diego when I finished the trip I was here for about a year we decided to get married. We had to get married quite quickly because of immigration stuff actually. To be frank although we wanted to be life partners and we were in love and. But the marriage and the decision to marry and the subsequent You know vows was it was quite quick. And when we decided to get married Chris said you know come on down to the garage and I was like not like we should get some champagne. Like we just we just decided to get married like we should celebrate. Come to the garage and we had this kind of bickering back and forth. So fine I'll go to the garage and so we went to the garage he pulled out this kind of climbing bag and then pull out this Woodrum and he's like great fancy piece of wood and we you know let's go get some champagne. And he said you know ice ice. I had the person who that property that we really kind of like fell in love. I had them ship up a piece of wood from that property.

And I'd like to make our wedding rings out of them. And so that's what we did. So that's a pretty. Those have been pretty meaningful as well. He's you know he's gone through about three or four of them but thank goodness he he hauled up a fair log from Argentina so we can continually have the main and when have lost one or two in the summer.

Yeah exactly. And how you got married you got married at the courthouse but you really had this wedding ceremony. It's probably too long of a story to tell the whole thing on the podcast but I've heard this story and it's it was in the Amazon jungle. Yeah. Could you just give us a quick highlight so. That says. Yeah this is a Vona three hours story.

The short answer is we went down to the Ecuadorian jungle we searched for a particular tribe down there and requested that they marry us and and they did and we had the full regalia which is basically a piece of red cloth wrapped around your body. And it was amazing and it did this whole ceremony and dancing and drinking their jungle tequila or rum or whatever it was all through the night. And we were down with that with that family that tribe that shopmen for five days or so you know pretty deep in the jungle and had some pretty it was rustic Yes. Yes. Very very wrong. Four Seasons Amazon No. No. No it wasn't it wasn't four seasons It was. Yeah. No running water no electricity no outhouses No. No there's nothing. And it was a really you know transformative time and because the way that we got married so quickly and kind of just on paper and legally you know here in the US it was really important for us that we found a way to get married in a spiritual sense that that made sense to us and felt resonant with us and so we went down to the jungle.

I love this story just because it really tells a lot about who you are as a couple and as individuals that you would go to this great length to celebrate your love in this incredible beautiful way and not get talked too much about it because I'm hoping there's book too I that my prize.

I think that's Chris's book hopefully.

Chris has this in his book Chris you're listening you've got to write this in your book. Speaking of books and movies and books that could possibly turn into movies if there were to be a movie about your life and there's a song in the background what would that song be.

For sure it would be little bird by Annie Lennox. That's written in the book that was it. That was a song I don't even know how I found that song. I've never been like you know a massive die hard Annie Lennox fan although you know appreciate you know all of the music. But that song I played so often when I was skiing and often enough I think I wrote about this in the in the book that I sang it out loud like I would get off the chairlift will be like you singing. And I was like yeah I guess. So that's always been a big one. And Chris calls me that. Now that's your nickname Yeah.

Chris calls me birds so that's that would for sure be the song in the background.

Well this has been awesome stuff. Thank you so much. Can you just tell us a little bit about what next. I know this book unbound you can get it on also.

Yeah you can pre-order it on Amazon comes out January 24th. It'll be available in the States in Canada in Oz in New Zealand. I think it will be available in the UK in February. And yeah you can you can get it there you can find me at DEF Jaggar dot com. I'm all I dig dig Instagram hard so you can find me on Instagram at Steph Jagger and I love to interact with people there. And and that's that's it. And in regards to what's next. I'm going on a book tour. Can people find it. Yeah absolutely there's going to be a book tour there's about 15 cities L.A. Santa Cruz San Fran Seattle Portland a whole bunch of stuff so that that information will be you know all up on the site. I'll be traveling around. And I'd love for people to come out and see me and talk to me and ask questions. I dig that that part of the experience.

It might just be a wild adventures Steph Jagger tree coming up. There could be retrained. No. And for sure there'll be more books.

I've got I've got at least two of in my noggin so well will be sitting down and getting disciplined and writing some more soon.

Oh thank you again so much. Check out Steph Jaggar dot com. The book is called Unbound you and B. Oh you and D. You can buy it or pre-purchased it at I highly recommend it. Steph thanks so much for coming.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you it's been great.

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